The Anglican and Catholic Church openly supports evolutionary theories!
LONDON - The spiritual leader of the world’s Anglicans does not believe that creationism — the Bible-based account of the world’s origins — should be taught in schools.
“I don’t think it should, actually. No, No,” said Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, reflecting on the bitter education debate over religion and science that has so divided the United States in particular.
Williams, head of a church that has no problem with the Darwinian theory of evolution, told The Guardian newspaper: “I think creationism is, in a sense, a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory, like other theories.”Asked if he was comfortable with the teaching of creationism in schools, the mild-mannered and usually cautious theologian said: “Not very. Not very.”
In the battle to bring God into the classroom, Christian conservative supporters of creationism and intelligent design seek to deny or downgrade the importance of evolution.
Intelligent-design proponents say that nature is so complex that it must have been the work of a creator rather than the result of natural selection as outlined in Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.
Williams’ stance is similar to that of the Roman Catholic Church, the world’s largest single Christian denomination, which does not reject evolutionary theory — while still teaching that God created the world and the natural laws by which life developed.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11947464/
See, I don't make up my statements about the Catholic Church. What I write is fact and if it's just an opinnion, I'll let you know. Truth is truth is truth....and the truth is that the Catholic Church supports Darwin's theories.
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posted by Adam Bomb at
11:46 PM
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Of course, if we separated school and state, that whole issue of whether or not to teach creationism or evolution or both would dissappear overnight.
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Libertarian Jason, at 6:46 PM
Church and state or school in state? Yes its too bad the government runs the schools unlike in Americas early days when they taught the bible in school. And we wonder why kids kill each other and get pregnant at 14. The school is run by the state and yes it should be separated.
If we realized evolution is an indocrtination of faith and that it takes more faith to beleive in than intelligent design, then maybe we could teach both...or neither and then the issue would disappear. Evolution and science violently oppose each other. The TRUTH is that life at the cellular level is extremely complex and baffles the most educated scientists. To believe that mindless chance accident brought everything into existence is illogical and very bad science.
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Adam Bomb, at 9:29 PM
Regardless of whether evolution is "true" or "false" or "science" or "faith"... by separating school and state....just like we separate church and state... would let parents choose for themselves what kind of education their children will receive.... just as parents are able to choose what church they will attend and support.
In America, we don't have violent conflicts over religion. Yet, we fight all the time over what the schools are teaching (and not teaching).
Let's separate school and state, and let individuals be free to choose.
Incidentally.. check out www.sepschool.org for more info. You may like what you see.
Also...do a google search for The Exodus Mandate.. That is a great resource for Christians.
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Libertarian Jason, at 6:53 PM
This is the first time I've heard talk of seperating school and state...I'm not sure of the reality of how that would actually work, other than home schooling. It would seem difficult to keep a consistant standard of learning this way. Hmmm, interesting thought though...I'll have to read up on that, thanx.
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Adam Bomb, at 10:46 PM
Hi everyone,
Roman Catholics are not Christians - period and the Anglican Church is Laodicea, awaiting the spewing from God's mouth just like so much vomit.
There you have it.
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yes2truth, at 1:49 AM
"The TRUTH is that life at the cellular level is extremely complex and baffles the most educated scientists". That's rubbish. An awful lot is known about cellular biology nowadays. Writing TRUTH in upper case does not change that, but you're probably used to shouting to get your opinions over ;-)
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ozonevibe, at 6:13 AM
Ozonevibe-
So you're saying that life is not complex?
Does being able to know alot about something make it less complex? Yes we know a lot about cellular biology, but a cell is still more complex than anything man can create, not to mention natural processes. Darwin was a fool. It's the fool who says in his heart "there is no God."
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Adam Bomb, at 6:46 PM
Where did I say it wasn't complex? It's very complex indeed, and what we know of it requires a deep ability to conceptualise.
But what does understanding the mechanics of the cell have do with Darwin? No matter how complex or understood it is, you could equally well say "this is the immediate work of God" or "this is the product of undirected evolution".
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ozonevibe, at 2:53 PM
Ozonevibe-
The association I was making with complexity and Darwin, is that Darwin thought that biological life was simple at the basic level. Since technology has improved and our ability to see the microscopic level, we know otherwise. Any kind of complex structures require an intelligent designer. You cannot say "this is a product of undirect evolution." Time + Chance + sunlight will give you exactly what you started with, nothing. Scientifically, your two statements are not equally conclusive.
Question:
When you see a painting how do you know there was a painter? When you see a building, how do you know there was a builder? When you look at the physical universe, how do you know there was a designer?
Answer:
There has to be!
Random chance will never create complex designs. Common sense.
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Adam Bomb, at 5:53 PM
It was once common sense that the sun went round the earth, or that contagious diseases spontaneously generated from stale air; or that black people and women were inferior to white men. Best not to rely on common sense.
However, you make a strong point about complexity and I think this is evolution's achille's heel.
(Following either side of the debate seems to lead to a position that requires faith. Darwin himself said of evolution: "is it then a science or faith?")
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ozonevibe, at 1:30 AM
Thank You! You're absolutley right and to be honest with you, after much scientific study I have found that it takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does intelligent design. Brain washing high scool and university students to believe evoltion to be fact is pure indoctrination. That's why I stand on my early remark that we should either freely teach both or neither, because it can only be one or the other. They do not mix. To try to teach that God used evolution, as the Catholics do and I'm sure many Christians, is heresy at its finest.
Thanx for the great dialogue, though you seem to take no position at all.
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Adam Bomb, at 11:16 PM
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